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		<title>Comment on Do theists need to explain God&#8217;s existence? Part 3 by God and the arbitrary attribute charge: A response to Jason Thibodeau</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[God and the arbitrary attribute charge: A response to Jason Thibodeau]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] of my views on God and explanation over at his blog. Here&#8217;s the most recent entry: &#8220;Do theists need to explain God’s existence? Part 3&#8220;. In case you were wondering, Jason has a PhD in philosophy from the University of California [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] of my views on God and explanation over at his blog. Here&#8217;s the most recent entry: &#8220;Do theists need to explain God’s existence? Part 3&#8220;. In case you were wondering, Jason has a PhD in philosophy from the University of California [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do theists need to explain God&#8217;s existence? Part 1 by Do theists need to explain God&#8217;s existence? Part 2 &#124; not not a philosopher</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Do theists need to explain God&#8217;s existence? Part 2 &#124; not not a philosopher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 15:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] my previous post I tried to cast some suspicion on the concept of aseity and I also argued that the fact that a [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] my previous post I tried to cast some suspicion on the concept of aseity and I also argued that the fact that a [&#8230;]</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 19:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just wanted to take a few minutes and let you know that I appreciated 
the article. I frankly don&#039;t believe that most people know how many hours of effort that goes into producing a good post. I know that this is kind of random nonetheless it bugs me sometimes. Nonetheless good article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to take a few minutes and let you know that I appreciated<br />
the article. I frankly don&#8217;t believe that most people know how many hours of effort that goes into producing a good post. I know that this is kind of random nonetheless it bugs me sometimes. Nonetheless good article.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Free Will Defense Really is Irrelevant by Vivek narain</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It hardly matters to god whether jones kills smith or hugs him. In this infinite universe with eternal timeline a human life though longer than most animals is still brief relative to the postulated age of universe,besides whether a person lives for 40yrs or 80yrs doesn&#039;t bother any one except perhaps a couple of close relatives. Nobody is important,the world will go on its own sweet way whatever happens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It hardly matters to god whether jones kills smith or hugs him. In this infinite universe with eternal timeline a human life though longer than most animals is still brief relative to the postulated age of universe,besides whether a person lives for 40yrs or 80yrs doesn&#8217;t bother any one except perhaps a couple of close relatives. Nobody is important,the world will go on its own sweet way whatever happens.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Euthyphro Objection is Robust by LINK: Jason B. Thibodeau Comments on Flannagan, Coyne, and Explaining Morality</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LINK: Jason B. Thibodeau Comments on Flannagan, Coyne, and Explaining Morality]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 00:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Rowe on Clarke&#8217;s Cosmological Argument by 50 inch vertical program free</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 05:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Howdy, i read your blog occasionally and i own a similar one and i 
was just curious if you get a lot of spam feedback? If so how do you 
stop it, any plugin or anything you can suggest? I get so much lately it&#039;s driving me mad so any help is very much appreciated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howdy, i read your blog occasionally and i own a similar one and i<br />
was just curious if you get a lot of spam feedback? If so how do you<br />
stop it, any plugin or anything you can suggest? I get so much lately it&#8217;s driving me mad so any help is very much appreciated.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New Paper: &#8220;Do Atheists Need a Moral Theory to be Moral Realists?&#8221; by Paul Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Murray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 02:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had a bit of a look at your paper. First thoughts:

Lets start with the position that the perfect being: all powerful, all knowing, all loving, is the wellspring of morality. Can&#039;t we simplify this? After all - why does God need to be all powerful to define right and wrong? Surely it&#039;s enough that he be all knowing and all loving.

But wait! Why does he need to be all knowing? After all, it&#039;s morally right to do something which you think will (for instance) save someone&#039;s life, *even if* that act in fact kills them.

All-loving is enough. Morality reduces down to &quot;doing what an all-loving being would want you to do&quot;. Or simply &quot;to act as love would motivate you to act.

Which is ok. But it&#039;s only the case that a traditionally theistic God accounts for morality if you have to be all powerful and all knowing in order to be all loving.

For the theist, this is a given. &quot;God is love&quot;, says the bible, and that&#039;s all you need.

But for the nontheist, we&#039;d like to take it a little further. Science tells us a great deal about love, the chemicals that produce loving feelings and acts, the evolutionary roots of altruism. And anyway, how shall we define love? I&#039;ll settle for &quot;to desire the wellbeing of something&quot;.

But either way, theistic moral realism boils down to &quot;it&#039;s not possible to be all-loving unless you are also all-powerful and all-knowing. Luckily, there is such a being: God.&quot;

(an alternative is an all-knowing but powerless good deity and an evil, active deity. Which, on inspection, looks much more like the universe we actually live in).

The real underlying issue is that deep down, theists think that morality comes out of God like cookie dough out of an extruder, that it&#039;s some sort of &quot;thing&quot; that he &quot;makes&quot;. You have to be all-powerful to accomplish a thing like that, you know. I blame the english language and it&#039;s habit of reifying things.

Anyway, this doesn&#039;t address the title of your paper. I&#039;ll read a bit further.

… actually, I think the answer to the question in the title is &quot;yes, if you want to be taken seriously&quot;. The alternative is &quot;I think morality is a real thing, but I really don&#039;t know all that much else about it or have any particular reason for thinking that.&quot;

Not that poking holes in the theist position is not fun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a bit of a look at your paper. First thoughts:</p>
<p>Lets start with the position that the perfect being: all powerful, all knowing, all loving, is the wellspring of morality. Can&#8217;t we simplify this? After all &#8211; why does God need to be all powerful to define right and wrong? Surely it&#8217;s enough that he be all knowing and all loving.</p>
<p>But wait! Why does he need to be all knowing? After all, it&#8217;s morally right to do something which you think will (for instance) save someone&#8217;s life, *even if* that act in fact kills them.</p>
<p>All-loving is enough. Morality reduces down to &#8220;doing what an all-loving being would want you to do&#8221;. Or simply &#8220;to act as love would motivate you to act.</p>
<p>Which is ok. But it&#8217;s only the case that a traditionally theistic God accounts for morality if you have to be all powerful and all knowing in order to be all loving.</p>
<p>For the theist, this is a given. &#8220;God is love&#8221;, says the bible, and that&#8217;s all you need.</p>
<p>But for the nontheist, we&#8217;d like to take it a little further. Science tells us a great deal about love, the chemicals that produce loving feelings and acts, the evolutionary roots of altruism. And anyway, how shall we define love? I&#8217;ll settle for &#8220;to desire the wellbeing of something&#8221;.</p>
<p>But either way, theistic moral realism boils down to &#8220;it&#8217;s not possible to be all-loving unless you are also all-powerful and all-knowing. Luckily, there is such a being: God.&#8221;</p>
<p>(an alternative is an all-knowing but powerless good deity and an evil, active deity. Which, on inspection, looks much more like the universe we actually live in).</p>
<p>The real underlying issue is that deep down, theists think that morality comes out of God like cookie dough out of an extruder, that it&#8217;s some sort of &#8220;thing&#8221; that he &#8220;makes&#8221;. You have to be all-powerful to accomplish a thing like that, you know. I blame the english language and it&#8217;s habit of reifying things.</p>
<p>Anyway, this doesn&#8217;t address the title of your paper. I&#8217;ll read a bit further.</p>
<p>… actually, I think the answer to the question in the title is &#8220;yes, if you want to be taken seriously&#8221;. The alternative is &#8220;I think morality is a real thing, but I really don&#8217;t know all that much else about it or have any particular reason for thinking that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not that poking holes in the theist position is not fun.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Euthyphro and Omnipotence Part 2 by jbthibodeau</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 14:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to the DCT, God creates moral obligations by issuing commands. Why does this this theory have any intuitive plausibility? First, God is omnipotent (or at least extremely powerful) and so can do things that no mortal can do. Second, God is the source of all that exists; since moral obligations exist, is stands to reason that God would be their source. Third God, as creator, has authority over his creation. Fourth, God has a maximally objective point of view; He recognizes and acts from the recognition that no person matters any more than any other.

However, all of the same considerations apply to God&#039;s counterpart who is not loving. So all of these considerations that support the DCT also support the Divine Counterpart CT.

So, my objection really takes the form of a challenge: If the commands of an essentially loving Supreme Being can constitute moral obligations, then why cannot the commands of a Supreme Being who is not essentially loving?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the DCT, God creates moral obligations by issuing commands. Why does this this theory have any intuitive plausibility? First, God is omnipotent (or at least extremely powerful) and so can do things that no mortal can do. Second, God is the source of all that exists; since moral obligations exist, is stands to reason that God would be their source. Third God, as creator, has authority over his creation. Fourth, God has a maximally objective point of view; He recognizes and acts from the recognition that no person matters any more than any other.</p>
<p>However, all of the same considerations apply to God&#8217;s counterpart who is not loving. So all of these considerations that support the DCT also support the Divine Counterpart CT.</p>
<p>So, my objection really takes the form of a challenge: If the commands of an essentially loving Supreme Being can constitute moral obligations, then why cannot the commands of a Supreme Being who is not essentially loving?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Euthyphro and Omnipotence Part 2 by jbthibodeau</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jbthibodeau]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 13:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would it be incoherent to say that God does not exist (necessarily) but his counterpart does (in every possible world)? This would be consistent with Rowe&#039;s understanding of necessary existence. 

That is to say, I don&#039;t see that speaking of counterparts commits us to the existence, actual or possible, of the counterparts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it be incoherent to say that God does not exist (necessarily) but his counterpart does (in every possible world)? This would be consistent with Rowe&#8217;s understanding of necessary existence. </p>
<p>That is to say, I don&#8217;t see that speaking of counterparts commits us to the existence, actual or possible, of the counterparts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Euthyphro and Omnipotence Part 2 by Matthew Flannagan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Flannagan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 10:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess another issue here is wether even if granting God is contingent, the counter part issue works. 

Suppose I identify wrongness with the commands of a loving and just God. 

You point out that although there is no possible world where a loving and just God commands torture of children. There is a possible world where some other being like God in certain ways does. How would that count as a counter example to the theory? after all the theory does not identify wrongness with the commands of the counterpart it identifies them with the commands of God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess another issue here is wether even if granting God is contingent, the counter part issue works. </p>
<p>Suppose I identify wrongness with the commands of a loving and just God. </p>
<p>You point out that although there is no possible world where a loving and just God commands torture of children. There is a possible world where some other being like God in certain ways does. How would that count as a counter example to the theory? after all the theory does not identify wrongness with the commands of the counterpart it identifies them with the commands of God.</p>
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